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Post by Guest on Sun 27 Oct 2013, 8:28 pm

Jak the Shadow wrote:Corporations could be the cause of the fracture.
Perhaps. What caused the fracture probably wouldn't be very important, since it likely would've been a long time ago (long enough ago that most human stuff has been forgotten and abandoned, and long enough ago that the aliens have never encountered humans in their prime).

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Post by Travis on Sun 27 Oct 2013, 8:44 pm

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Jak the Shadow wrote:Corporations could be the cause of the fracture.
Perhaps. What caused the fracture probably wouldn't be very important, since it likely would've been a long time ago (long enough ago that most human stuff has been forgotten and abandoned, and long enough ago that the aliens have never encountered humans in their prime).
Yes, but then again, having it known is a good way to flesh out history of a thread. History is always a nice thing to have, even if it was only OOC information. It gives a more complete feel to the thread.
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Post by Acceleradiant on Sun 27 Oct 2013, 9:52 pm

Maybe a rampant disease plagued the human race and infected their worlds (killing any of the following depending on the desired effect). Like a plant-borne crop/animal killer, or a human killer, or maybe something that kills both.
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Post by Guest on Sun 27 Oct 2013, 10:38 pm

Plague... biological warfare?  Maybe something tailored to affect human psychology?  And then after the collapse of the primary human empire, the rebels and independent factions on the outskirts of human space begin moving in to claim the planets that fell into anarchy.  In the years it would take to cross to the primary empire's gate network (or months or weeks or days or hours or whatevers with warp/hyperdrive/whatever, presuming that humans have that just because reasons) and then further years to consolidate power, bring some fraction of the net back online, etc. there'd probably be some semblance of order regained in at least a handful of the former empire's worlds that best survived the collapse.  Everyone would want whatever scraps of the dead empire's technology they could get.  Maybe they even lost some scrap of knowledge crucial to the construction of gates, so everyone would want to preserve the net as best they could (there'd probably still be groups that would go around blowing them up though).

If we wanted, maybe another major war/collapse once/if the Plague gets used again and the majority of human civlization is knocked back to the stone age.  The rest are bottled up in increasingly small networks and have to rely on whatever form of non-gated interstellar travel they can come up with to travel between what islands of civlization there are remaining.

Or a third collapse and the most civilized human government is somewhere far away due to the fact that they had the sense to escape the old worlds before everything went to hell yet again.

In any case, probably whatever humans are in the crew would be valued assets as they're the ones who would most understand whatever they picked up.

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Post by Guest on Mon 28 Oct 2013, 3:38 pm

I like the idea of some form of biological warfare, perhaps we could slightly divert and have it that an alien faction used it against the humans and they were close to a cure but the independent factions/weapons stopped the cure from being utilised; it could lead to a future war with that same alien faction and numerous others and they require the cure to save their people, leading to them trying to find this human cure?

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Post by Travis on Mon 28 Oct 2013, 3:56 pm

Hm, sounds good. Humans are valued due to being likely to understand their systems, but of course not all would. What should their fate in that case be then? Worthless to the crew and abandoned at the next stop? Trained more in whatever their best applicable skill set happens to be (Skills that are useful to the vessel's operation)? Spaced because of intolerance of their kind as nothing but mere tools? This definitely would need coverage as it could majorly effect characters developed by those joining. 
A second war/collapse seems to fit better with humans being valued crew, without being overly common or easy to find. For FTL speeds, gates having exceptionally fast speed compared to anything else, with perhaps days spent for a LY or two?
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Post by Guest on Mon 28 Oct 2013, 4:28 pm

Regarding understanding their systems, I was thinking linguistically more than technologically.  Reading a manual to find out what something is is cheaper than funding a research study into it, after all.  As a side effect, any form of library (Digital counts... space wikipedia!  Except we'd be raiding servers rather than just entering a web address) that survived (or even barely survived) the first collapse could become very valuable.  Alien linguists would be important members of the crew, too, although in the case of there being human crewmembers they'd probably be relegated to the role of translators, etc.  Presuming that the empire didn't enforce a single language and the Collapse was fairly recent, a ship would probably have to get locals to join their crew whenever they moved onto a new sector.

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Post by Keval on Mon 28 Oct 2013, 5:08 pm

Wow, you guys hace gotten something good out of this.

(Pardon my absence to my own collab, but my pc broke.)
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Post by Travis on Mon 28 Oct 2013, 6:46 pm

Fair point, Aumn. Even more valuable still would be the few that actually know how the systems work. xD

The libraries would work definitely, granted there are fairly limited FTL communications or they have degraded. If FTL comm exists, then there would likely be a network of comms that would remove some of the search a bit too much. As for sector languages, I think that would be more hassle than anything else, as human characters fall from notice once the language they know becomes useless.
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Post by Guest on Mon 28 Oct 2013, 7:06 pm

Alright, back from writing some huge essays. I have quite a bit to reply to, so please bear with me.

Address 1: Travis' Offense
   I am sorry, I did not mean to incur any offense from my statement on the 'lightness' of GC. I was merely saying that the thread was rather forgiving, which is neither excellent nor horrible. Such an attribute has its place.

Address 2: The Bioweapon
   I must express concern over your proposed manner of wiping out the human race. Such a biological weapon would, if it reached the critical state of killing most of the population, would have infected literally everyone due to the communal nature of humans, as well as the incubation period of a disease. Also of note is the likelihood of mutation on such a large scale, which could also spread it to the other species.

Address 3: The Purpose of Humans
   While, for a short while, it is likely that humans would be useful, (disregarding address two,) the lack of the ability to maintain human technology would plunge the scope of the thread into one solar system really quickly. While this would be fine, it could prove detrimental to your proposed spacial anomalies.

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Post by Guest on Mon 28 Oct 2013, 7:45 pm

Reil wrote:Address 3: The Purpose of Humans
   While, for a short while, it is likely that humans would be useful, (disregarding address two,) the lack of the ability to maintain human technology would plunge the scope of the thread into one solar system really quickly. While this would be fine, it could prove detrimental to your proposed spacial anomalies.
How? Humans aren't the only advanced race, but the other races would want their tech because it's more advanced than their own. Other races would still have FTL.

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Post by Guest on Mon 28 Oct 2013, 7:56 pm

Travis Lear wrote:Fair point, Aumn. Even more valuable still would be the few that actually know how the systems work. xD

The libraries would work definitely, granted there are fairly limited FTL communications or they have degraded. If FTL comm exists, then there would likely be a network of comms that would remove some of the search a bit too much. As for sector languages, I think that would be more hassle than anything else, as human characters fall from notice once the language they know becomes useless.
While I may be misconstruing from this passage, CoG, this seems to suggest otherwise.

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Post by Travis on Mon 28 Oct 2013, 7:57 pm

FTL Communications doesn't mean FTL Drive technology.
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Post by Guest on Mon 28 Oct 2013, 7:59 pm

How could you have FTL drives and not have the simpler technology of FTL communication?

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Post by Guest on Mon 28 Oct 2013, 8:29 pm

My 2 cents, If it was in fact a bio-weapon, then another target of this attack would also be to attack the communications network. Tactical strikes against Key communication hubs could cause communications to slow down to a crawl. In addition to this, the ensuring chaos would also promote the distribution of the bio weapon. depending on the speed of distribution though, isolated/remote colonies may not actually feel any effects from this attack until a few months afterwards.

Any place that is Isolated/remote from any normal trade route might also be saved from the attack, purely by being out of the way. even in an age of FTL, if you have to take a major detour from normal trade routes to reach someplace, chances are its not going to see much activity. Regardless, FTL communications would be one of the first things you'd want to take out in any sort of conflict. This followed by attempting to stem the logistical [Read: Transportation] network by any means, as any openings granted by the bio-weapon would only last so long before things can be reorganized. In simple terms "Kick them when their down"

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Post by Guest on Mon 28 Oct 2013, 8:31 pm

The problem is that MOST humans are supposedly dead. If most humans on that scale are dead, then chances are all are dying. You simply can't stop people from moving about and spreading the disease. This, consequently, will seize the energy supply to the hubs as well as the necessary maintenance in all places involving transportation, or, anything, really. The few humans alive would have inevitably been exposed at some point.

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Post by Guest on Mon 28 Oct 2013, 8:37 pm

Hmm... why does that make me want to suggest a form of 19th century-era frontier, with advanced hub-worlds as a Firefly reference?

Also Nights, as a bioweapon, it could infect quickly by taking advantage of the communal nature of humans, incubate for a period to maximize infection, then kill nearly all of the time and then die off. Which would take away any chance for it to mutate, similar to a modified Ebola strain?

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Post by Guest on Mon 28 Oct 2013, 8:44 pm

That would eliminate a large chance of mutation, though that pretty much guarantees the extinction of the human race.

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Post by Guest on Mon 28 Oct 2013, 8:49 pm

Not entirely, Again, anything that's outside the normal "loop" of transit would have a much lower risk of being destroyed by the bio-weapon. because again, this assumes that its able to evenly distribute to every corner, which even in an FTL age, is not a guarantee. The best option however is something that would have a moderately long incubation time, during which its infectious, before converting to rapid killing. to long an incubation time, while increasing the chances of infecting everyone, also increases the chances that the weapon can be countered.

I do request though, rather then raising issues, perhaps raise solutions? it makes this a lot easier then poking answers until we find one that works.

Edit-Another qualifier is that a bio-weapon after sometime would likely "self destruct" in a manner of speaking, as should it mutate, you wouldn't want to be infected by trying to conquer the newly "liberated" area. this also reduces the maximum lethality rate of the weapon, but is an important factor, otherwise we could likely have an encounter with this "Death Plague" during the roleplay.


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Post by Guest on Mon 28 Oct 2013, 8:53 pm

You continue to assume that the weapon is going to have a 100% perfect distribution rate. The human race was reduced to around... what was it? 20,000 live individuals(?) once on Earth, and we didn't go extinct. Which means a single rural-world or a small colony world not getting hit? Would assure the survival of the human race. And as deployment cannot be perfect, and as the death-toll cannot be 100%, along with half-competent disease control. You would see a MUCH weakened, much SMALLER, but still living human race.

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Post by Guest on Mon 28 Oct 2013, 8:54 pm

This is different. One planet holds MANY people, and transit is faster than ever before. The incubation period only seals the deal. One account of exposure and it is over.

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Post by Kazran on Mon 28 Oct 2013, 8:55 pm

Not necessarily. You'll still have whole worlds of hermits. That's not a thing that's going to go away just because of FTL.
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Post by Guest on Mon 28 Oct 2013, 8:56 pm

And once people start dying, you expect them to stay hermits? People would flee to those worlds, and the infectivity must be extremely potent to eliminate so many.

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Post by Kazran on Mon 28 Oct 2013, 8:57 pm

No Reil, they wouldn't flee to those worlds. Hermits aren't necessarily going to be defenseless. They won't allow people in, and if they're aware of why people are fleeing there they'll fight even more to defend their home from an invasion.
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Post by Guest on Mon 28 Oct 2013, 9:02 pm

How would they defend successfully?

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